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Thu Jul 2, 2009, 9:46 AM
We all know how much the fundies love Creationism, despite all the cold, hard evidence that proves otherwise. How could we be Intelligently Designed if we have useless organs like appendixes and tonsils along with wisdom teeth, or waste pipes running through recreation areas (durrhurrhurr) or the fact that there are countless genetic defects out there, inherited or simply spontaneously happening sometime during fetal development, some obviously more debilitating or deadly than others, and these problems don't stop in the womb! Nosiree Bob, we might become fucked up at some point later on in our lives and suddenly require an operation or medication or some shit for something that was working perfectly fine before.

"ID" proponents like using the watchmaker argument (you find a watch in the desert or forest or some other random area) and the watch is supposed to be proof that we have some Creator.

This watch argument fails on so many levels. Of course someone made the watch, no fucking shit, Sherlock. This does not prove Creationism.

Did we magically come up with the watch? Of course not! Way back in the days before recorded history, when Man was more of a primate than the creatures we know we are today, they took notice of time. During part of the year, the days were hotter and longer, and during the other part, the days were shorter and cooler. Food was more plentiful in the warm time. So they came to understand there was seasons. How did the seasons work? Well, of course they didn't know that just yet, how the earth tilted and all of that jazz. So we had myths like that of Demeter and Persephone, that kind of thing.

As millennia went on and man evolved more, they started to read the sun, moon, and stars, realizing that there was a natural rhythm to the planet, and to plan around that. Astronomy became more exact as man figured out about solstices, equinoxes, planets, how many days there were in the year, and so on and so forth. Various cultures eventually created their own calendars (China, Mesoamerica, the Greeks, etc) and eventually we figured out how to split up the day itself - rather than a season, year, moon-cycle, whatever - using nifty things like sundials, dropped pebbles, candles, or water-clocks.

Only after all this - this process of trial and error, discovery, learning, asking questions, did man eventually figure out how to make clocks. Not watches yet, mind you. Clocks were nifty, helping us with hours and minutes and figuring out how long something took and how to arrive somewhere on time. And then eventually, someone figured out how to miniaturize that, to make teeny, tiny little gears, to make a living out of such detail-work and make time-telling devices more accessible, since obviously you couldn't take a clock with you everywhere you go.

So we had these pretty and fancy pocket-watches and wrist-watches, with a tiny but amazing collection of gears to make it work. Of course, now we have cool digital watches and water-proof watches and watches that don't just tell you the hour and minute, but even the day, month, and year! Awesome!

But it took us many thousands of years to come to this point. The watch evolved - just like everything else we enjoy today. What was once traveling on foot became riding animals and carriages, to cars. Tablets and cave-paintings became scrolls and then hand-written books to the amazing printing press to digital/printed media.

'Intelligent Design' is the incorrect name for Creationism. 'Intelligent Design' has been stolen by the fundies and abused, the term ID becoming a mockery. Evolution happened. It happens in biology, society, technology, laws, clothing, the way we travel, EVERYTHING. Evolution isn't a mere biological phenomenon that has been proven true time and time again. Evolution is the way of the universe and of humankind. Yes, evolution has had many misses, but due to the perseverance of man and their pursuit of intelligence and knowledge and answers, evolution can be very, very nifty indeed.

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its a watch in the desert.

From all the possibilities of how it arrived there, they choose only one: God put it there.

A watch in the desert is that all. There are many ways of how it arrived there.

In all case for more believer that you are, you could never said God put it there. I mean, there is something called divina providencia(and that doesnt include God giving you stuff from the nothing).



That reminds me a joke of here; about a priest during a fire. The church was on fire and the villagers went to rescue him. He said no because God was oging to help him. Then came teh firemen, he said no because god was going to help him. Then came an helicopter, and he said no because god was going to help him.
At the end the priest died in the fire. And once death he demenaded to talk with god why he died. Why he didnt go to help him.
And God said that He did help him; because there was people, firemen, even an helicopter. And he denied them.

So, bassically fundis think taht literally God comes here, or the sky opens and he sends angels or something leaving a clock in the desert.


You should watch the last movie of Juana de Arco.

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:icontrillean:
I personally believe in both intelligent design and evolution.

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XD Well aside from the fact that the watch evolved, we have also seen people make watches, we can readily find out for ourselves exactly what the process entails. We never see God make people or universes, etc. We don't know how that works (Outside of doing the nasty without protection :iconimhappyplz: )

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fundies just like Intelligent design because it involves the word Intelligent

like Geniusus

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I never heard of the watch/desert thing, but my first thought to that would be that some fool wandered out there somehow, and was either killed by animals or buried in the sand, or perhaps they just dropped it and left
:iconellwyendarwin:
Well said.

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I thought the same thing.

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The watchmaker argument also fails because...lulz, we've seen people build the watches :lol:

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Of all the ways to assume how a watch got somewhere God is not my first guess, my first though is "Well then there's someone somewhere missing a watch, and since this is the desert they're probably dead or they left." Second thought, "Looks like I just scored a new watch."

You know it's kind of silly in the first place to assume that God looks like a person, I highly doubt any human has ever seen God in person and I think if they did they wouldn't survive the encounter. It's also silly to assume that God made made us in his/her image when there are all sorts of interesting and different creatures on our planet alone.

I personally beleive that, God did create everything, but I don't think it all looked the way it does now. I beleive that God gave us and every other living thing the ability to evolve, in my eyes that's the greatest gift we could have been given. The ability to learn and change and survive, without that our species wouldn't have lived this long.

I think that this song sums up what I believe pretty well actually, [link] up until 3:30. I think you'll enjoy it :D

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